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UnMeilleurReve
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lol. Religious beliefs can be vague, say literally nothing, and have no purpose. There was a court case tried in the supreme court of the Church of All Worlds (inspired by Heinlein) where they basically said you can't discriminate against a religion whatsoever because of the beliefs it espouses. We don't even have to be spiritual or outwardly claim to be a religion, or even inform people of that fact.
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vov35
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as in : we claim to be religious for legal reasons, and actually not do shit?

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glorfon
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I don't understand what the legal reason for be a religion would be.
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Selkie
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Unless we declare ourselves Christians, we're not getting any legal benefits  Rolling Eyes

And I think it would just drive people away, including maybe Will and I. It just complicates things and isn't really needed.

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Zeerahks
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Agreed.

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UnMeilleurReve
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Really, look into the Church of All Worlds.

They made it to the supreme court because they didn't have things like a philosophy about the afterlife.
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Selkie
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But whats the point? Its not going to give us any benefits(unless we claim to be christians), I dont think anyone else wants it, and it can drive people away because they'll think we're nutty. It also leaves less room for personal values and morals.

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UnMeilleurReve
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First off, religions are exempt totally from taxation and laws specifically tailored to them. This has been upheld repeatedly. Second off, unless we want to operate on shares, or to be "organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."

Basically, if we try to get non-profit corp status, the gov gets to decide how we operate and if we do anything at all wrong (like subsist, or anything that would help us personally in any way as a commune), we're fucked.

It would be easier to claim religion, and give the gov absolutely no say over how we operate (so long as it isn't drugs, child molestation, or human sacrifice), AND we could avoid taxation and unfriendly laws.
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Selkie
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Hrm...that's a good point. Other communes seem to manage fine without them, I really hesitate to use religion unless we absolutely have to.

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UnMeilleurReve
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lol. There was already another thread for this subject.

But yeah. The other communes are all operating with some sort of business or bringing income in from outside the commune, or a little of both.


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