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glorfon
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Is there any ethical/hygenic problems with eggs for B12?  For non vegans that is.
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tuffenoughtorock
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Eggs, if on the ground for too long or are forced to be layed in the bird's own feces*are* a risk for contamination.  That's why, if we do have chickens, we supply nesting boxes (which chickens are attracted to anyway).  Washing off the eggs is a no no also, because it removes the protective mucus covering outside the egg and forces bacteria deeper down, causing rotten eggs and eventually, explosion (not a pretty sight or smell, believe me).


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UnMeilleurReve
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Typically, we vegetarians are okay with eggs and dairy and other animal biproducts, but we prefer totally ethical treatment of the animals that produce them and prefer they not die. There's different terms for those who eat chicken or fish occasionally (although I think they don't count, lol). Vegans are not okay with any animal biproduct whatsoever.

And honestly, I think we should reject fruititarians. We won't be able to accomodate their diet and they're typically militant.

But so far as I know, Yvette and I are veggies, Christie and Rachel are vegans, and all males except for myself are not veggie.

There's a bean, or most beans, that provide B12, is there not? Otherwise, we may have to obtain supplements...
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tuffenoughtorock
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There is no term for people who occasionally eat poultry, but people who will not eat cattle, hogs, chickens, etc. but consume fish are "pescetarians," considered a branch of vegetarianism (although, I still call them omnis).

And as for beans being sources of B12.  That is a myth.  Tempeh, green beans, or any other kind of bean out there will not provide (adequate) B12 unless fortified.  The amount in these plants are very small and will not sustain a person.

At the moment, I take a flaxseed-oil gelcap supplement daily for omegas 3, 6, and 9.  But if we decide not to take pills, we can use real flaxseeds to cook with and mix with food.

Fruitarians are incredibly rare (even more rare than raw-foodists), so I don't think we should have a problem dealing with them.
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UnMeilleurReve
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lol, I was just throwing that out there...

Looks like yeast should do the trick though.
A lot of people like brewer's yeast on popcorn.
Anybody know how to go about harvesting it?
And yeast is in bread, too...

Fun stuff.
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UnMeilleurReve
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Looks like a serving of brewer's yeast provides 130% RDA for B12. Smile
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tuffenoughtorock
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Nutritional yeast is only a source of B12 if it is fortified.  Only two types right now (that I know of anyway) are on the market: Red Star Vegetarian Support Formula, and Twinlab Nutritional Yeast.   There are drawbacks, however.  B12 is very sensitive to light, and nutritional yeast is normally stored in clear bags or containers.  There was also a case with a guy who was taking nutritional yeast for B12 and got a deficiency.  A supplement of B12 from a vitamin cleared that problem up.

So, nutritional yeast can work, but is not reliable.  

In fruits and veggies, the only way to obtain B12 is by not washing off the plant.  Even in organic produce, most B12 is washed away by the consumer.
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UnMeilleurReve
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iodine is light-sensitive, as well. You store it in a dark-brown glass jar in a dark closet, and you purchase or make in moderate amounts so that it's used within a short period of time.
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Iodine crystals can be used to make high explosives...
anyway... just wanted to adress zeeranks: never refer to mushrooms meant for eating as "shrooms" people will think you are talking about "magic mushrooms" -- although it would be fun to get some of those Laughing

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UnMeilleurReve
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Iodine can also be extracted from alcohol tincture with some simple equipment and HCl.

Anywho...

Didn't we want to outline decision-making strategies and plans?


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