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UnMeilleurReve
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I know nothing about CFL's, but I would be a proponent of kerosene, chimneys/fireplaces, and skylights to cut down on power use and possibly solar-cell powered LED's.

As for drying things in the winter: place it on wires near the fireplace! In the summer: clothesline! As for handwashing, it would cut down on power use a massive amount. The trick is to have something going on while you're washing so it doesn't become just a chore (music in the background, a story being told, conversation, etc.).

As for my comp, I know nothing about it, but it makes a decent spaceheater and has like 8 fans running, lol. If I switched to flatscreen, the usage would go down more (and I don't need a CRT since I can't run any games that need a good fps).

Solar energy panels and the such decrease in efficiency with heat and increase with coolness to a certain degree. Solar-heated things, of course, increase in efficiency from residual heat combined with solar radiation-sort-stuff.

I would personally ask that we have at least 8-10 burners of any sort for cooking since we have so many people. And with 8-10 burners (decently spaced) I could, conceivably, by myself feed the entire population of 30 with no help except for cutting, and I could train other people to do the same so that there is good, abundant, edible food each day. And nothing can really beat a good gas stove, but if we go for flame we're going to need a decent amount of cast-iron.

Cell-phones would require a subscription and fees, so a telephone line getting hooked up would be economically preferable.


Also, keep in mind that anything that requires burnable materials, we have to have things to burn, and I'm not sure cobbs can get a decent fire going, myself.
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LeReveur wrote:
(and I don't need a CRT since I can't run any games that need a good fps).

it was a while ago that LCD screens had frame-rate problems. The only difference is the reduction in flicker between frames. basically everything can handle 60hz nowadays.  And how large are these cooling fans? my fscking gaming rig has four, of course these are 120mm...

I would support LED's for purposes where they may be turned on and off often, then they are more efficient then CFL's, which take some time to get to full brightness (5-15 minutes).

Making a fireplace involves its own difficulties.One problem is that it does cause circulation of air, where the heated air immediatley leaves the building (phail) and pulls out air from within the building, implying that cold outside air is being pulled in to compensate for the pressure drop. Kerosene has some very specific problems:
- oil from which it is made... prices are high
- we can't manufacture it
- it doesn't burn cleam

If you must have a lamp then we should... use.... say ethanol. It can be brewed, and distilled, and then it burns quite cleanly, plus it would be a fuel manufactured by us.

As for phones: I believe that there are some free VOIP services. If I could get a internet connection. (dish & wifi is amazing) We might be able to have this as an option.

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I'm not sure what size... And I'm simply too poor for a flatscreen atm, anywho.

My only issue with LED's is that they're not pleasant to see by (they irritate the eyes after a bit), but they're much more efficient. How about CFL's (I know what they are now) for long-term ambient use and LED's for short term or transitional use?

And some air circulation is good, but I'm not sure how good fireplaces are. I'll have to go inquire. I know that you don't have that much of an issue with gas fireplaces when it comes to that issue, and a lot of the heat is contained in the coals themselves, which radiates heat and can nicely heat an entire building regardless of efficiency.

However, the ethanol option sounds much better (and can't we also manufacture our own ethyl alcohol?). I wonder if unused kerosene lamps with specialized wicks would work... We can also look into paraffin.
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LeReveur wrote:

How about CFL's (I know what they are now) for long-term ambient use and LED's for short term or transitional use?

However, the ethanol option sounds much better (and can't we also manufacture our own ethyl alcohol?). I wonder if unused kerosene lamps with specialized wicks would work... We can also look into paraffin.


1) this is what i suggested geniusface...  Laughing
2)Why don't people understand this for fucks sake. ethyl alcohol is ethanol. drinking alcohol. get it?

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Brewing ethanol seems like it would be difficult.  Plus that would mean that we would need to grow more corn.  Corn cobs were used for cooking/heating in pioneer times. Plus we can use other burnable waste material like husks and fallen tree branches.
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So, the list currently looks like.

15-20 computers
6-10 freezers
2-3 water softeners
lighting (amount and LED or CFL's to be determined)
3-5 washers.
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Ok, so in the absence of discussion can I assume this list is finalized and we can move onto phase two?
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yes.

And as was suggested with the lighting: CFL's for long term ambient use and LED's for shorterm use or anywhere it needs to be on instantly.

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Good good, I'll post Phase II and lock this thread in a week or so once everyone has had a chance to say anything else they need to say.
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Stop the presses! We'll, stop me from stopping discussion.  My girlfriend said she had heard about manual powered washing machines.  She also suggested wash boards.  Would the rest of you be willing to use those in order to use less electricity.


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