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glorfon
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Well, building underground also saves energy that would otherwise be used for heating.  Roof top gardens would require flat roofs which are bad for when it snows.  However mabey we could do kind of a composite.  The north side could be built into a hill and the south side could be exposed.  This would give us sun, save energy and save land.
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that means that your roof needs to be able to hold a lot of weight.

the reason for being armed ( not militant ) is mostly because ( as i understand )  
this is a major WASP area (oh no commune: communism; throw molotovs at them!).
and also, i like meat ( no i don't mean cannibalism), and would like the ability to eat animals on the
property. (sorry to moral vegetarians etc...)

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glorfon
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Well, if we're going to build under ground we'll need a strong roof.  Building into the side of a hill would be easier.
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First off, I agree that we won't being doing anything that could be deemed illegal. Additionally, this isn't the 1920's where police and state repression would stop us from speaking out minds. However, I think it would be good to have a contingency plan in case anything bad happens. And if we are worried about ignorant, anti-commune WASPs, building underground takes care of food refrigeration, heat, and security. If we need to, we can lock down. The only worry then is crops.

Then again, if we are tactful and integrate into the community surrounding us, we should have absolutely no problems, right?


Yes, I agree that the logistics and the magnitude of a task such as building this thing underground are somewhere along the lines of huge, but if we don't have enough land, it would be definitely worthwhile. Security, storage, maximization of available land, personal living space, refrigeration, heat: all of these things would be benefited by building underground. Also, if we plan to pursue the concept of some sort of education program, if we plan to be outwardly active in the world (and seeing as how most of us came from the STW forum, I'm assuming we do), or if we plan to do anything of that nature, having massively increased space to use by expanding underground would benefit us significantly. Meeting room, storage room, living room, sleeping room, recreation room: all of this would be provided, though in exchange for a massive amount of our own physical labour and resources.

Self-sufficiency and sustainability give us the added protection of not being dependent upon anybody else, and therefor doing what we wish with the commune and not worrying about somebody else's agenda being pushed on us or being coerced into some sort of labour that we'd rather not be doing. However, being completely focused on sustainability and self-sufficiency would be detrimental to us. Other similar endeavors, so far as I knew, accepted friendly, no-strings-attached aid from various benefactors, and being willing to integrate, cooperate, exchange, and accept would work to our advantage.

A commune with no sense of community would be of no use to anybody, and it would definitely not be enjoyable, don't you guys agree? So how about we start a thread with that in mind, as well.
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I agree with everything you just said, but i feel that members of the commune should be free to arm themselves.

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I always have a knife on me and I feel that guns are cowardly. Each person is entitled to what they wish to own, however if you're packing an AK I recommend that you store it clandestinely.

Also, what if we got our hands on an "Active Deterrent System" like the Silent Guardian?
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that looks interesting!
but no microwaves, if they go through clothes, then they can burn your balls. i don't want to end up sterile from a security malfunction.

how about something more like
http://www.usmechatronics.com/old_page/turret.htm
with airsoft/paintball?

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There are safety settings for the ADS (that can be overridden, which makes this truly scare me, and I think only 6 people have been injured, but it might be the pain gun. It also has a 3mm wavelength so a thin wire mesh should act as a faraday cage for protection. They have a 500m radius and are soon to be put in use for police and military. The pain gun, on the other hand, has much more lethal potential.

Also, I'm using an onscreen keyboard, so I'll be inactive for a bit.
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this is so much more realistic for us to build, and at ~$50 per turret is actually reasonable:
http://www.usmechatronics.com/old_page/turret.htm

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In the words of a nute gunray.
"Is that... legal?"

Yes I'm nerd but does any one know for what?


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