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Zeerahks
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A definition of evil?

I'll throw a quick one out:

Malicious or harmful actions for selfish reasons (remember, inaction is an action!).

That's my definition.

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UnMeilleurReve
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I have to disagree with the "for selfish reasons" on an ideological level. Look up egoism. I'm an egoist and to some extent and individualist, regardless of my often nearly-altruistic and benevolent nature, disposition, and actions. However, I think we can come to some sort of compromise.

I think "Malicious and/or harmful behavior and/or actions executed intentionally." fits my bill better.
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Zeerahks
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Oops.  I did mean to put intentionally in there, I just forgot.  Honest.  Very Happy

Anyway, I like yours just as much.

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vov35
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so something like:

Do not be intentionally malicious or harmful. aka the don't be a dick rule.

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Zeerahks
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They aren't the same though.  Similar, but not being a dick is only part of being intentionally malevolent.

On a slightly similar path, non-intentional malevolence, even though it could be called "dickery", can't possible be deemed as evil (in my eyes) simply because the perpetrator had no idea it would happen.

Oh, Le Reveur, I've been thinking, and I guess that while I still like your definition, mine is a bit closer to this:

Intentional malicious or harmful actions for purely selfish reasons.

Ok.  It's basically the same as the one I posted earlier.  But!  On closer examination (take 20 on the spot check Very Happy ), you realized that the word "purely" has a much deeper meaning!

For instance, let's look at this classic moral dilemma: you can either save 1 person, or let that person die and save 10.  Let's scale it up.  Now you can either save 10 people, or let them die in order to save 100 people.  It goes as high as we want it to.  100 for 1000, 1000 for 10000, etc etc.  We can even include loved ones: would you let one loved one die in order to save 100 perfect strangers?

In these cases, we do evil either way according to the current definition we're running with.  Either way we're letting someone die, either by killing them ourselves, or letting them die out of inaction (which, I can't point out enough, is an action in and of itself).  But if we add the "for purely selfish reasons", then the person is not doing evil either way (except if e saves eirs loved one instead of saving the 100 strangers...) and thus is spared (most of) the moral baggage of making such a decision.

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UnMeilleurReve
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How about something like this tacked to the end, then? "Oh, and FUCK categorical imperative..."
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Zeerahks
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Very Happy

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vov35
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I like the addon

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UnMeilleurReve
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Wait until you see the expansion. We're adding exciting new features and increasing the level cap!

Sorry, I had to...
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vov35
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yeah guys, he just had to asplode...

ummm... so what morals will we have in addition to the non-douchbag-ery rule?



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