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Selkie

Pest Control

How are we going to keep our crops safe, and deal with possible problems like bugs, mice, fleas, etc?

I dont like the idea of pesticides, is there an alternative?
glorfon

Are your cats mousers? As for insects I have a book about organic pest control with herbs.  We could try that.
Selkie

Well, one or two cats might be, the other is just a fat slob. And not sure I can/want to bring them, its going to be extra food and expenses for the community.
vov35

I hope your cats aren't as retarded as mine: it catches mice, brings them indoors, and doesn't kill them...
UnMeilleurReve

I've got several mousers. They won't touch domesticated rats, though, for some reason Very Happy Which is good, cuz I <3 my rats...

If you guys want mousers, can supply several, free of charge. Otherwise, mice aren't a problem if you keep clean and store things properly when it comes to indoors.

And they make organic pesticides from cayenne. Maybe we could make our own? I think it's a simple issue of making an extract and applying it...
Selkie

Cayenne works...can we grow it ourselves?
UnMeilleurReve

Oh, definitely. I don't know anywhere cayenne won't' grow.
glorfon

Cayenne will grow in the mid west? Why the hell have I been wasting my garden space on stuff like pumpkins and tomatoes?
UnMeilleurReve

Habeneros work, too. Iron rich soil spices them up. Smile Love the desert.
vov35

YAY we can use pepperspray as pesticide!
Selkie

vov35 wrote:
YAY we can use pepperspray as pesticide!


And as nonviolent protection!
vov35

... define nonviolent...
my version of pepperspray use is to shoot full bottles from a spud gun towards your target.
Selkie

XD

I mean, it could be a good thing for each of us to carry on us, just in case.
vov35

ok then... *cough*nofun*cough* Laughing
Selkie

Well, like we were talking about guns earlier in case like, KKK comes and tries to harass us (it really is a definite possibility, since we're outside the law mostly and if we're harboring blacks, they'd have less restraint) we could just prepare those pepper bombs so we wouldnt need guns.
vov35

no, i understand that just fine. i however find no entertainment in pepperspray.
unless someone can fill paintballs with it...
glorfon

Selkie wrote:
Well, like we were talking about guns earlier in case like, KKK comes and tries to harass us (it really is a definite possibility, since we're outside the law mostly and if we're harboring blacks, they'd have less restraint) we could just prepare those pepper bombs so we wouldnt need guns.


But you can't hunt with pepper bombs.  well you could but it would be really really cruel.

Also, did you really intend to move this thread to visitors center?
Selkie

I didn't move the thread :S
glorfon

We I didn't either.  Lereveur! You got some splainin' to do.
UnMeilleurReve

lmao. I did no such thing! I think.... :'(
UnMeilleurReve

Why can't it be re-moved?!
Selkie

Dun dun dun...

THE CASE OF THE MISPLACED FORUM THREAD

The Hardy Boys are on the case!

I'm getting a clue...from...this direction...oh my, it's a really big clue!  Shocked *runs off towards the poll section*
glorfon

I think it can be re-moved I just thought you might have had some reason for putting it here.

Admin powers ACTIVATE!!!!
vov35

OMAGAD HES FIRIN HIS ADMIN LAZARR! RUUUN!!!

so what else can we grow that we can sue against pests?
Selkie

I dunno, I hear pests have damn good lawyers.

Da-dum-chhh.

I think cayenne should work fine?
UnMeilleurReve

Habenero. If you thought Cayenne was hot...
UnMeilleurReve

FOUND ONE!

http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1525.html

or

http://www.pond-o-mania.com/index...eAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=25573
vov35

right, but are we gonna spray animals in the face whenever we see them? how do aerosol cans help us?
UnMeilleurReve

You spray *people* in the face to get rid of them, you spray it on the plants to keep them from being ett. Somehow... I dunno, it's just what I heard: cayenne is used as a pesticide in organic farming.
vov35

right, and then all your food is UBARSPICY!
glorfon

You wouldn't need to put it on the actual food.  You would just put it on the plant before it produces the fruit and pick the non-spicy fruit before the bunnies get to it.

Also I have some bad news about this plan.  Any one watching shark week will know this.  This plan will keep away bunnies but we'll be defenseless against sharks.
UnMeilleurReve

That both makes me happy and confuses me terribly. lol
vov35

HOLY SHIT GIANT KILLER JAPANESE LAND SHARKS ARE COMING!
Selkie

I hear they have a really good shark attack unit in Silver City, New Mexico.

...if you don't get it, I'm not telling you where it's from!
UnMeilleurReve

lol. If any of this is referring to pop culture or television, it's lost on me. Smile
glorfon

Selkie wrote:
I hear they have a really good shark attack unit in Silver City, New Mexico.

...if you don't get it, I'm not telling you where it's from!


Don't worry your secrets safe with me.  I'm not proud of it but I too have seen that movie.

So what were we talking about? Oh yeah pests.  I might bring a dog to chase away rabbits but I'll have to teach it to eat corn when there's no rabbits around.  Also do scarecrows really work?
vov35

scarecrows... you mean a motion sensor and shotgun blanks, right...
glorfon

I ment a stick with a pumpkin and old cloths on it.  I looked it up on wikipedia and it said they can work but crows get accustom to anything... except gun shots.
vov35

which is why you return to the idea in the previous post.
UnMeilleurReve

I tried and failed.

Can you move both of these without shadows to the "food information" section glor?
tuffenoughtorock

As far as "pest control" goes, I am opposed to the use of chemicals and traps intended to kill creatures (which means no glue traps, poisons, snap-traps, and the like) and I feel that crops should be grown organically.  There are natural ways of pest control.

The most simple solution is keeping food items that may spoil in places where animals and insects can't get to them.  Luckily, there are no bears here in Iowa, so that is one less problem to deal with.  To drive away ants, slices of bitter cucumber and mint leaves should normally keep them away.  

Using chicken wire to protect plants from deer and rabbits can also help.  Another simple solution is human urine .  Deer don't like the smell and generally won't go near.  And no, urine won't go on the plants, but form a perimeter.

Ducks, geese, and chickens can be released in a crop area to eat grasshoppers, and other insects that may harm plants.  

Fruit trees have a bad rep for harboring tent caterpillars that kill each branch slowly over time.  Filling a milk jug with a banana peel and vinegar mixture will deter them and take care of the problem.

Obviously, there are countless other solutions to problems, but I won't mention them all here.  The only major problem I could see would be opossums.  Cats and possums get along very well so that wouldn't help, they are pretty much fearless and aren't intimidated by dogs, and are very clever and sneaky.  I'm still trying to find a remedy for their intrusions that don't involve shooting them.
glorfon

In a recent issue of mother earth news they had instructions on how to atract bats that will eat insect in you garden.
tuffenoughtorock

Oooooh.  That would be cool.  We have some bats here, but the majority of the insect-eating animals are barn swallows.
vov35

well... making animals eat pests for us is always fun.
UnMeilleurReve

Yay for birds and bats! Boo towards creepy-crawlies!

And by the way, if anybody want to eat bugs, it's fine by me... Wink

Unless you get a pet tarantula, and especially unless it's named susan...
glorfon

I've eaten may flies before.  their easy to catch.  So if you give me a warm place to roost you might be able to lure me to the commune to eat mayflies.
UnMeilleurReve

*sigh* I should have expected that.

Do we need to use nectar to lure you, glor? Or just something sugary? Grains and seeds, perhaps?
vov35

*gets tarantula and names it Suzie*... "good pet..."
UnMeilleurReve

*shudders* lol
vov35

yay for fast and useless replies!...

wtf are you talking about, this isn't spam...

lol

serioulsy we need a poll of "do you eat insects!"... must resist urge to spam poll both
glorfon

It has come to my attention that we may be at a greatly reduced risk of insect problems.  While we should still take precautionary methods we may not have much to deal with. My environmental science teacher explained to my class (I'll be starting a lot of sentences with that) that the only reason pesticides seem necessary is because current farming methods cause insect problems.  When there is a huge patch of food it draws a lot of bugs but since we'll be planting small patches of food among native vegetation we won't have this problem.  Plus we'll be surrounded by industrial farms which the bugs will be more attracted to.
vov35

so in essence, our increased eco-friendliness pays off, and the people who destroy the environment get bug problems?
yay
glorfon

Yep, that's what it boils down to.

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