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glorfon

Animal Husbandy part one

You know the drill.
UnMeilleurReve

There needs be a distinction on eating things we didn't raise, lol.
glorfon

Did you mean decision?  I'm not sure what you meant but...

This thread is just about eating things we raise.  I'm pretty sure we're in agreement that we'll eat hunted animals and fished... fish.
UnMeilleurReve

lol, oh, okay, you're right. whoops!
Selkie

Flay LeRev! FLAY HIM!

Er, anyways.

I think we should raise animals but be respectful and when they die...we are just going to get attached and killing them is going to be hard. If we're doing okay we won't need the meat and if we're not doing okay, a cow is the least of our worries.
UnMeilleurReve

We could go for the Heinlein approach: being eaten after you're dead by those you care about is the highest possible honor they could accord you. Wink
glorfon

Well people all seem to be for raising animals and prefer not eating them.  So can I move onto part two? (Deciding which animals to raise)
Selkie

Sure, so we're all agreed to raise animals but not eat them?

Hunting is fine though.
vov35

alright, my cause is going nowhere so fuck it. agreed
UnMeilleurReve

We've got 2 for eating and raising, glor and selk. However, can I request that we table raising the animals and eating them and agree that we'll raise animals so we can move to part two? I think the eating them after raising them part is going to be a discussion for in-commune.
glorfon

I second that motion lereveur.

If some time in the future sally the chicken is near death then we'll decide then whether or not to eat her.  In the mean time part 2!
tuffenoughtorock

glorfon wrote:
I second that motion lereveur.

If some time in the future sally the chicken is near death then we'll decide then whether or not to eat her.  In the mean time part 2!



But would you want to eat an ill or injured chicken?
UnMeilleurReve

All in favor of tabling the eating discussion until the actual situation arrives in which we need to decide whether or not to eat an animal, please reply with a "yes", "aye", or some other definitive and obvious way of demonstrating favor.

All opposed, please respond with a "nay", "no", or some other definitive and obvious way of demonstrating opposition.


Please remember, also, that we're going to strive for unanimous decisions if at all possible, so if there is opposition in any way, this goes back into discussion mode. If we decide to go by majority vote, that'll be a unanimous decision as well.
glorfon

Si
Zeerahks

Ja.
UnMeilleurReve

Oui.
vov35

da.
UnMeilleurReve

The only ambiguous ones I can see so far is "da" and "si" if it's french, but I'll assume it's spanish.

Vov, wtf language is that? German? lol
vov35

russian for yes...

and saying "wtf language" makes no sense. i mean seriously: what the fuck language?
UnMeilleurReve

Lol. I don't know. What the fuck language is that? sounds right to me.... Maybe it's Vegas colloquial?
vov35

prolly is... whatever...
Selkie

Hey guys, poking my head in XD Sorry for being so busy...

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If anyone still wants to raise chickens, my mom just bought six...I have no idea why, but she did. If we manage to actually keep them alive, not sure how long they'll live, and we're having no luck with eggs. But depending on how long they live or if we get eggs, we may have six chickens right off the back (or more if they lay some damn eggs and actually take care of them, lazy bastards)

...I should warn you all, chickens are the most annoying fucking things in the world. They never shut up. They run around and are hard to catch. They make weird warbling noises and screech. They poop everywhere. They're little bastards and won't let you pet them. They fly away if you don't cut their wings. And they're ugly as hell.
FightTheGoodFight

dirty too.
vov35

well... I still have a higher opinion of chickens then horses and dogs. why?
dogs shit all over the fucking place and bark at you and bite people for no fucking reason.
have you ever heard in the news about a cat killing someone?

Horses eat too fucking much, smell worse then chickens, kick people, shit in the middle of fucking paths, and really are not smart animals...
glorfon

Well chickens do most of that but on a small scale so it's bearable.  Smaller shit and smaller bites
Zeerahks

Chickens smell a hell of a lot worse than a horse, dog, or cat.
UnMeilleurReve

Dude... I would still kill to own horses....
glorfon

Holy shit! *ducks*

Get him the horses I don't want any trouble.
UnMeilleurReve

I've said it before, I'll say it again:
Best.
Commune.
Ever.


ANYWHO. Animals. It looks semi-official, but there are dissenting votes, etc. as to what animals we should have.

If we're saying chickens, sheep, and alpaca, and leave it at that, then my thinking is correct. If I'm wrong, and remember, wrong is if anybody says no unless we decide otherwise, then let me know what's up. We may need to restart the polls and see what people say now that we've had some discussion.
vov35

LOL, i still hate dogs and horses more than anything...
tuffenoughtorock

Selkie wrote:
Hey guys, poking my head in XD Sorry for being so busy...

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If anyone still wants to raise chickens, my mom just bought six...I have no idea why, but she did. If we manage to actually keep them alive, not sure how long they'll live, and we're having no luck with eggs. But depending on how long they live or if we get eggs, we may have six chickens right off the back (or more if they lay some damn eggs and actually take care of them, lazy bastards)

...I should warn you all, chickens are the most annoying fucking things in the world. They never shut up. They run around and are hard to catch. They make weird warbling noises and screech. They poop everywhere. They're little bastards and won't let you pet them. They fly away if you don't cut their wings. And they're ugly as hell.



I kind of resent that.  But anywho, first of all, what breed are they?  Some breeds of chickens are more flighty/aggressive than others.  Are they youngsters or older birds? (you can normally tell by checking the comb size and length of tail).  And, where did your mom get them from?  If they are from a hatchery, they are most-likely mutt chickens that have been roughly handled.  If they are from a private breeder, they will probably be pure-bred and easier to deal with.  

Chickens, by the way, can live up to 13 years, depending on their diet, environment, and amount of stress.  I had a silkie chicken who lived to be 8 years old that I reared from a chick.  He was a sweetheart who followed me around the yard and would come to me when I called him.  The key to calming down nervous or fearful birds is to avoid abrupt movements and loud noises.  Spend time sitting near them quietly and getting them used to you.  Then work up to trying to get them to eat treats (pieces of waffle, bread, fruit, etc) out of your hand.  After they get used to your hands, work up to petting them and picking them up and carrying them around.

Despite what most people think, chickens actually have a very structured hierarchy or "pecking order."  They are also intelligent.  Hens normally start laying eggs at about 6 months of age and will continue laying for 4 or 5 years, although the egg quality is in its prime the first year.

As for clipping chicken's wings...big no no.  Chickens will only take to flight as a last resort when they are startled or threatened.  Especially if you keep them outside, they need to be able to fly to elude predators.  Also, if you improperly clip the wings, you can cause injury to the wing or cut too close resulting in bleeding.  Broken bones, dislocated wings, bowed legs, and head injuries are very common  if you rough-handle chickens...they are sensitive creatures.

I know all of this because I have raised chickens and turkeys for over 8 years.  In that span of time I had also done educational presentations for kids on how to properly hold, catch, and handle chickens along with helping them tame aggressive birds.  They are wonderful, inquisitive animals with loads of personality that make excellent "pets" if you take the time and have the patience to work with them and respect them.

I also have horses and have worked with them for 12 years.  No, they are not unintelligent.  Their minds just work differently.  Because they are prey animals, they think primarily with the "flight" part of their brain.  It's by engaging their thinking side that they begin to listen and understand human body language.  Some horses may be more stubborn than others, while some can be downright mean and never get a long with humans.  Stallions are the most difficult to work with, they do their own thing and will step all over their handler if the person isn't experienced.  Mares come in second because they tend to be moody and unpredictable, although there have been exceptions.  Geldings are the best, because they are most of the time cooperative and super friendly towards humans and other animals.  My gelding, Outlaw, has been with me for about 7 years now and is a joy to ride and spend time with.

However, I am strongly opposed to having horses in the commune unless you are prepared to care for them.  They go through a 1,000 lb hay bale every two weeks (which cost a shitload of money) need vaccinations every year, need their hooves trimmed every 4 weeks (6-8 in the winter) and if they are injured or fall ill need expensive vet treatment.  They also require a large amount of space to roam and forage and daily exercise.  Building and maintaining horse-appropriate fencing is a constant job.  We have almost gone broke because of how high-maintenanced and demanding caring for horses is.

Erm.  That's all for now, I think.  If anyone has any questions, just let me know.
UnMeilleurReve

I asked my roomie about horses. She says that to keep one up, we'd need to give it 5 acres of food. I think horses are definitely post-expansion.
vov35

way to difficult to maintain, plus, i still don't like horses.

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