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glorfon
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We've had a lot of good discussion but I thing it's time we start wraping some things up. This seemed easiest to do for the electronics section.  Maybe in time we can wrap up other issues.  So here's what I want to do.

Stage1:  Determine what electronics we need/want for 30 people.
Stage2:  Determine how much electricity these would require.
Stage3:  Determine how many wind generators this would require.
Stage4:  Gather the materials for that many generators.

So the method for stage 1 is:  Every one Proposes necessary/wanted electronics then every one else tries to prove them unnecessary/unwanted.  I've already proposed a few.

Current list (approximately)
15-20 computers
6-10 freezers
2-3 water softeners
lighting (amount and LED or CFL's to be determined)
3-5 washers.


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Zeerahks
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Agreed on the CFL's, the only thing is that they have to be left on for at least 15 minutes at a time in order to achieve their maximum life-span.

30 computers is a lot, maybe too much.  I'd say 1 computer per 2 or so people, so 15-20 tops.

I'll also throw out:

Refrigerators (same number as freezers)
Telephones (3-4?)
Hot water heaters (natural or not) (2-3 should do it)
Water softeners (especially if we've sunk our own well) (at least 1, possibly 2-3)
Oven/range (3-4 I suspect)
Washing machines (3-5)
Dryers (1-2, only for winter, summer wet clothes can be hung on a clothesline)

There are more common household electronics that aren't on here, but these are the largest.

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so far, how much power would this use. given say 200 watts per computer...

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glorfon
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Zeerahks wrote:

I'll also throw out:

Refrigerators (same number as freezers)
Telephones (3-4?)
Hot water heaters (natural or not) (2-3 should do it)
Water softeners (especially if we've sunk our own well) (at least 1, possibly 2-3)
Oven/range (3-4 I suspect)
Washing machines (3-5)
Dryers (1-2, only for winter, summer wet clothes can be hung on a clothesline)


Refrigerators aren't necessary. A deep hole will stay moderately cool and if we have freezers we can make Ice to store things in that need to be cold but not frozen.

Telephones would require getting a phone line hooked up.  Maybe cell phones.

Hot water heaters could be made solar

Oven/range could be made solar or powered off of corn cobs

Washing Machines we could do with out but ince it's just a few for the group that seems reasonable.

Dryers Solar?
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200 watts per computer is unrealistic.  Most computers will take at least 500 (afaik).

A deep hole in place of a fridge would be a big pain to deal with, especially since we aren't planning to be completely underground.

Cell phones will be much more expensive than land lines.

Also, how well do solar things (water heaters/dryers) work during the summer?

And yes, we could do without washing machines, but I personally don't want to wash clothes by hand (though I guess I would if need be).  We may consider getting high-efficiency washers, that use less water and less detergent.  Most colleges use these,

Ovens/ranges could also be wood (is that inherent in being cob ovens?  Can wood ovens/stoves burn cob?)

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my not unlarge graphics card. uses 100watts. but its a fucking nice gfx card.
cpu is 100, thats most of the power usage. maybe 300 watts on the whole BIG ASS GAMING RIG

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Does any one here have a good understanding of electricity measurement?  I don't understand the difference between volts watts amps and Kilowatt/hours.
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volts is analogous to pressure. higher volts means a potentially longer arc. amps are a measure of flow. A camera flash produces very many amps and thus makes a bright and hot spark. 300 volts doesn't arc very far, but the effect is impressive. watts are power consumption. I think its something like volts * amps. not sure on this one.

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Vov, you don't measure computer power by the individual components.  Because all the components go through the power supply, you can simply pull the wattage from that, which will consistently be 100-200 watts more than you will ever use, at most.  Chances are you have a 500 watt ps.

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I have a 750 watt powersupply which is running at less than half of that.

and how much power does a laptop consume?



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