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Selkie
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Everyone seems to be, including myself, extremely busy.

(LeRev, I still can't thank you enough btw. TY TY.)

Where are we all? Are we just busy or disinterested? Is there a way we can keep in touch on a regular basis that doesn't involve figuring things out, just a , hey, I'm still here?

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Selkie
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Twitter works nicely...I use it a lot while working. Smile

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Zeerahks
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Hey, what's up, still hanging around.

It's not that I'm extremely busy, but I'm definitly not disinterested.  It's more along the lines of: I don't really know what it is that I can do right now.  I mean, as of right now I have at least one, possible two, more years of college before I can commit to anything.

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2 years of college do get in the way a bit...

Btw, twitter: unmeilleurreve. See, standardized.

Anywho, for those that might be interested, another option is opening up. There's a lot of empty storefronts, etc., and a growing anarchist culture in the Vegas valley (and high property values) that is easy to get involved with. With that in mind, I've had in the works for a long long time (years) the idea of starting a veggie-friendly cafe/restaurant/nightclub/venue totally owned and operated by people who have a reason to be interested (that's right, on principles aside from capitalism, though unfortunately operating under capitalist principles). For our urban beginnings, it's a possibility, and if we expand from urban to rural (or, as I will soon have written for your reading pleasure, from urban to rural to community of education), and it would leave an infrastructure intact after we step down for other people to do the same thing we did.

Thoughts?
Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:54 pm
Selkie
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Definitely like that idea LeRev--plus it's a lot closer to where I live...

I'm curious about this anarchist movement, what do you know about it, how did you find out, etc?

And my twitter username is Poisonthemonkey -- I use it A LOT and it keeps me in touch with fellow anarchists/anarcho-communists and other leftists. So I know more than a few who would be interested when/if we really start. (Plus twitter is great as a newsvine kinda thing--I end up getting a lot of news from the people I follow, I barely go to news websites on my own anymore)

& Zee I know how you feel--everything's up in the air...

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Zeerahks
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LeRev, I love the idea!  This kinda idea has been on my todo list for a while.

What about incorporating a student hostel into it, if that's possible?  I took a trip to Europe last summer and was really impressed by the youth hostels there.  I don't think there are enough of them here in the states.

Now that I think about it, I think there are a lot of places we could start: food co-op, nightclub, youth hostel, cafes, restaurants, etc.  Start an entire network infrastructure throughout the country!  None would be connected to each other legally (cuts down on paperwork, costs, etc), but socially they're all connected.

I think it should be in our minds (the back, at least) to try and set up as much urban support as we can.  Not just support, but just drawing people of similar mindsets together in a comfortable environment.  One of the biggest problem people like us face is simply finding others.  Either it's because of location (like me, in deep-rural minnesota), or because other groups are too tight-knit (most anarchist/fringe groups; though often rightfully so, since many can't afford gov't infiltration).

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@ Selkie: Charles Johnson is the one spearheading the anarchist movement out there, and I helped get the A-Cafe's started. We planned on getting an a-cafe, infoshop, food not bombs, weekly meetings, conferences, and an indymedia started. We have the first 4 on that list going on already.

@ Zee: Ditto about the todo list.

Here's what I've been thinking. We operate the commune as a sanctuary and advocacy program catering to a diverse range of cultures and subcultures. We operate the nightclub/restaurant/cafe/venue according to our own principles and to benefit the commune and sanctuary/advocacy program. We interact intensively with the local anarchist community, offer meeting space and books/literature (free to read while eating or waiting for food).

Incorporating the student hostel would be easy enough, so long as they get health cards if they're working in the restaurant (the sanctuary would be a different story entirely, since there will have to be protocols to protect people, and the advocacy thing needs training).

I agree about the mindsets, and all of those places we could start up are things I think of as a healthy anarchist movement. I also agree that getting a national infrastructure would be a great ultimate goal.

The other thing that we'd be accomplishing is a personal goal of mine, namely establishing known cultural anarchist areas within towns so people know where to go if they're interested. Get a security culture going, too, and we're set.
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:15 pm
Zeerahks
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The only thing I really don't want to see happen is for us to become as closed off to newcomers as other groups, especially anarchists, can be.  It's so hard to reach anyone if you don't let them in!  I mean, I can certainly understand the need for security, but the paranoid attitude that so many people take is unhealthy for any group.

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Agreed. Polarization is also an interesting notion. Do we want to be okay with causing conflict and controversy? I'm all for it because I like knowing explicitly who my enemies, friends, and neutrals are.
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:27 pm
Zeerahks
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As soon as we polarize, we have to close our doors to most outsiders, out of safety concerns for ourselves (depending on how far we polarize).

What I'd rather see is no known relation between to managers of the venues/etc and the polarized group.  Emphasis on known, since they could potentially funnel new people to the more radical division.  This way, the cafes/etc stay open, available, and comfortable for all people of all beliefs.



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