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vov35
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Rainwater may be enough for plants, barely...
So where do we get more water? After all a human consumes 1-2 gallons of water daily.
problem is, if we waste room collecting rain, it is lost agricultural area.
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Dude, if I consumed 1-2 gallons of water a day, I'd be pissing like a racehorse...

Anyways, as you and I have both realized, groundwater should provide. However, I think that region of the country is also having some problems with a general doubt. That, and I think it's too much to hope for that we'd have running water...

Also, we should look into greywater systems to preserve water as much as possible. Wasting water isn't too much of an option.
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wasting anything isn't an option.

and i drink a lot of water, i do drink like 1.5 gallons daily.
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seriously that's an unusual amount of water to be drinking.

My gild friend once visited a house that was completely off grid.  She said they got enough water from the morning condensation on the roof.  I'm not to sure how well that would work for us but my point is that there's a lot of water if you know how to get it.

Ground water will help I'm just not sure how to dig a well.  Also we needn't set up huge barrels for collecting water.  When it rains we could run out and set up small buckets in the field.  FREE SHOWER!  In the winter we can just gather up buckets of snow and bring them down into the underground building to melt.  Also the green houses hopefully won't need too much water because all of the water the plants release won't escape.
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Military or camping supply places sell these nifty 5 gallon, black shower things that use sunlight to heat water. We could use that until we get something more permanent set up. That raises the question though: water heating... how? (My first inclination: yay Fresnel! or... Yay solar oven!)

If I remember correctly, to make a well you: dig a really, really deep hole until you hit water, then line the sides of the well with stones or bricks to help it keep shape. We could make the base of it by prefabricating the bottom so we don't have to figure out how to dry cement in water?

Anybody know anything about masonry?

Additionally, I think we should have a breakdown for this one.

Water source: ground and rain.
Water purification: carbon scrubber, rudimentary filter, and/or tap filter.
Water collection: as of yet undecided.
Water heating: as of yet relatively undiscussed.

Missing anything?
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Well understood that much about wells it's just the digging that confuses me.  Can we use shovels? If yes than this will be a really wide well.   If no that what are we going to use to dig it.

Have you ever seen one of those roof top solar water heaters? I don't know all the details but it seems pretty simple.  A box with a piece of glass or something on it to trap heat with a zig zaging pipe running though it.
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If we don't want to use a grey water system (where do we store sewage, etc.?), take a look into constant flow toilets.  It's essentially an outhouse positioned over a stream or some such thing.

Originally to dig wells shovels and men were used, but one had to be very careful of methane gas and such.  Diggers would carry a candle down with them and if the candle went out, would yell to their comrades above to hoist them up.  Methane is very very dangerous...

Yes, you could use a rooftop solar heater.  Or you could use a fresnel lens flush with the ground the direct sunlight onto a copper block that then had water running through it.  Le Reveur is right.  A fresnel lens is something we'll want to have at least one of.

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vov35
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glorfon wrote:
Well understood that much about wells it's just the digging that confuses me.  Can we use shovels? If yes than this will be a really wide well.   If no that what are we going to use to dig it.

Have you ever seen one of those roof top solar water heaters? I don't know all the details but it seems pretty simple.  A box with a piece of glass or something on it to trap heat with a zig zaging pipe running though it.


Ummm... how do you think they used to make wells then?  Laughing
LeReveur wrote:
Military or camping supply places sell these nifty 5 gallon, black shower things that use sunlight to heat water. We could use that until we get something more permanent set up. That raises the question though: water heating... how? (My first inclination: yay Fresnel! or... Yay solar oven!)

If I remember correctly, to make a well you: dig a really, really deep hole until you hit water, then line the sides of the well with stones or bricks to help it keep shape. We could make the base of it by prefabricating the bottom so we don't have to figure out how to dry cement in water?

Anybody know anything about masonry?

Additionally, I think we should have a breakdown for this one.

Water source: ground and rain.
Water purification: carbon scrubber, rudimentary filter, and/or tap filter.
Water collection: as of yet undecided.
Water heating: as of yet relatively undiscussed.

Missing anything?


purification: boiling and antimicrobial UV lamp
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Mine gasses are something to worry about. And methane + candle + oxygen = explosion. The deadly gas to worry about is usually carbon monoxide. They also used to use parakeets. If the parakeet passes out dead, evacuate the place and super-air it out.

For the well, we could use a pulley system and a platform (make it a slightly wide well). It'll take a lot of work, but this entire thing is kind of a medieval endeavor to begin with, no?

For the tunnels... well, there has to be a better way, but if it comes down to it, we can dig. A lot... Maybe get somebody to loan us a back-hoe? And for the ventilation shafts, maybe we can use a wide (like 1-2) pvc pipe with a fan and a hood/roof to keep water out? We can dig upward and make holes somehow... If they could do it 4000 years ago, we can do it now!
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Just remember.  We shouldn't have a ventilation shaft that goes straight to our reactor core.  Even if it's just a few meters wide some one could shoot a plasma torpedo through it.


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