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UnMeilleurReve
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I think we need some sort of philosophical manifesto discussion so we know how we want to approach this, as well. Should we put strong emphasis on sustainability or simply consider it in passing? What stance are we going to take on societal constructs like gender and sexuality? What do we want to do once we've gotten onto our own feet? What sort of involvement do we want to have with our direct community, the radical left, and the national/global community? Do we want to become directly involved with the formation and sustaining of other communes?

I'm putting this out for discussion and I'll probably contribute my thoughts in a bit, but I sincerely want to know what conceptions we have of what we want. Hopefully we can mould it into a cohesive, single whole.
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Zeerahks
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Here is my philosophy, and the one that I think we should very strongly consider:

A person's business is their own.  Messing in another person's business, to me, is the highest crime.

That means, if a person is homosexual, that is their issue, and not at all my business.  A person's relationships are not something I will mess with.  Etc etc etc.

I think that sustainability takes second course to getting the commune running steadily.  After it's firmly established, then we can think about political goals, etc.  But having a political agenda at this point is, to me, unneeded and a waste of time.

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vov35
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I think sustainability is critical to escape and seperate from corpgov.

as for societal constructs, i am rather apathetic.

specifically in sexuality, i am straight, and prefer to not be in the company of homosexual
people. however I accept it as none of my damn business, so i am not going to complain about anybody.

For the direct community see the thread called outreach.
i think we should provide shelter and such for far left radicals.

i think we should help other communes only once ours is running very solidly.

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tuffenoughtorock
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I definitely think sustainability is important in the commune (resources, ecology, society, etc.)

When it comes to gender and sexuality, I am open-minded to just about anything (since my own sexuality can be best defined as pansexual).  If a transexual, transgender, genderqueer, etc. wants to join the commune, I have no objections whatsoever.

Other communes should definitely be supported and encouraged.  We can exchange resources such as food, clothing, and various technology, but also strengthen our community and companionships.
 What I'm kind of wary about, however, is that once the commune is established, what sort of involvement do we want with outside influences and other societies?  Do we want the media coming in and holding interviews with residents (which I personally think is a violation of privacy and can distort perspective of who we really are), and are we going to try to further expand and "recruit" new members and start other communes, or just keep the same amount of people and keep this one commune?  Just some random questions that can be dealt with later.

But I also think political agendas are irrelevant at the moment.
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Zeerahks
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i think we should provide shelter and such for far left radicals.


I think we should support any individual in a non-political way that needs it, as long as they agree to a few simple rules (non-proselytizing, etc...)

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Do we want the media coming in and holding interviews with residents (which I personally think is a violation of privacy and can distort perspective of who we really are)


Agreed, but I think that we do need some sort of media attention, if only to spread the word that we exist.  I mean, I'm sure that there are communes in existence, but I'll be damned if I know where they are or what they are!

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are we going to try to further expand and "recruit" new members and start other communes


New members are good, but I think we should have a sort of "probationary period", where the person can try it out and see if commune life is the right thing for them.  And I think one commune is enough for us now, but I can certainly see a network of small communities in the far future (emphasis: far).

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glorfon
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I think we should be politically neutral.  I want to do as much to help the surrounding community as we can.  I very much want to expand and start other  communes.  I'm hoping to encourage the development of communes and if any one knows some one with land and a vision I;ll give them a section of the forum.

I wouldn't be opposed to being interviewed by the media but I think our advertising methods should be mostly online.
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UnMeilleurReve
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When I get back to my room, I'm going to put down a lot of info in regards to this. I'm finally awake enough Smile

However, as for media and that sort of thing, I have a *lot* of information about advertising and making one's own media that we can use. If we want, I can make it so an entire *city* of several thousand people knows something with about 15 people and 3 days (theoretically, and of course some people aren't going to know, but whatever).
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UnMeilleurReve
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Okay, here's what I've got.

So far, it seems that we'd like a mostly sustainable but reasonable commune of 10 people (because we KNOW we can sustain that many). We want to have a friendly and relatively strong presence in the community and avoid making enemies. We'd like to promote self-sufficiency, community, and education in various ways according to our personal fields of interest/knowledge. We'd like to help found and cooperate with other communes once we're on our feet. It seems that politics will be a matter of individual involvement primarily, but we still want to be active in respects to politics and liberating people (who want to be liberated). Personally, I'd also like this to be a cultural center. (As a friend of mine and I discussed, anarchists, radicals, and libertarian-leftists have lost a lot of ground since the 20's, and the biggest losses are cultural centers and publishers/writers/authors).

However, I don't know where we stand on political activity. Do we want to act as an affinity group?

Summarized:

We are a commune that promotes relative self-sufficiency and sustainability in our personal efforts and in hopes of future cooperation and collaboration with other communes. We hope to present a strong and benevolent influence in the community and to act as a cultural center for like-minded people. We also hope to be able to provide education and resources to those who are interested in order to further better the community and the world around us.
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vov35
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the summary is 3/4 the length of the whole thing  Laughing

and you put summaries first, so we can read them first, and decide wether to read the rest...

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UnMeilleurReve
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lol. Got it. Abstract then justifications. Razz


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