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UnMeilleurReve
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I'm thinking about it, and when it comes to water, heating, etc., I wouldn't mind being off the grid totally. That might be easier.

However, with power, this could really suck.

So I thought we should discuss the merits and demerits of off-grid (the biggest I think might be self-sufficiency and capital).

Also, I'm starting a financial issues forum to discuss the other very important factor of this: money for wind-turbines.
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Zeerahks
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Personally, I think that we should start on-grid and slowly work our way off-grid.  That way we can do testing and such without having to worry about losing all power (especially during the winter!)

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vov35
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as far as power goes, we connect our generators in parrallel to the grid after the meter: any power drawn from them is not charged against us.

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glorfon
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Being on the grid and getting hooked up will add to our expenses.  Being completely off the grid doesn't seem too difficult if we use the generators from vela creations.  But I do like what you said about experiments.  Maybe it would help if some one were to build a prototype wind generators and try it out so we know what to expect from it.
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UnMeilleurReve
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I say that we get a list of the exact electronics that we'll be working with, get them all tested for max-output in kilowatt-hours over a month, then plan to have 1.5 times the power generated/stored. We also want to get some sort of tests going for positioning on the land.

And I don't think it costs *too* much to get put on the grid. By the way, I sincerely recommend (an this is going to SUCK until you get used to it, which may be never) having no climate-control devices. Fire in the winter and water in the summer will keep our power consumption to a bare-minimum.
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glorfon
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Fear not.  My current design for the houses (which I swear I'll be done modeling pretty soon) is designed to stay warm in the winter and cool in the summer without energy use.
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UnMeilleurReve
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My dorm room was a 9.5x11 box (tiny as fuck, but it worked, just would've like more working space and no built-in desks, etc.) and it was south by southwest facing or so, and it kept a steady temperature almost year-round... I wonder why.

No implications there. Anywho, we want to look into steel or similar crossbeams and how the hell you put in concrete with a high water-table...
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Zeerahks
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Speaking of which, any idea of what the water table actually is where we'll be?

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Not a clue all I know is that there is a small river about 3 miles away.
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vov35
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LeReveur wrote:
9.5x11 box


I know what thats like...



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