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Selkie
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Another serious issue I think needs a separate topic. It's been mentioned that we should have guns for defense, so I think we should debate it here if that's ok with everyone.

I don't like guns but I am okay and sort of agree with keeping them in case we have to defend ourselves, plus not sure what else we'd hunt with. Hunting with a crossbow or bows and arrows isn't going to be safe if like, a bear jumps out at you or something! Yikes!

The biggest problem I think with keeping guns around is that someone might sneak into our community in the night or something and take them, maybe even use them to kill us, or others. If we do keep guns we have to make sure they're adequately protected. I suggest digging a fairly large hole, square and big enough to hold guns and ammunition. We could fortify it with wood or concrete, probably wood, then put on a lid and somehow cover it up so it's hard to see...maybe by placing something large over it or bolting it down and keeping the key hidden in a tree somewhere, I dunno Razz but it's something to think about.

Also, the idea about the fencing as a defense works too...as long as we make sure that no one outside the community has access to them at least without our knowledge and permission, because there are some terrible people out there who would just LOVE finding a free stockpile of munitions. It certainly is a risk.

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dcopulsky



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(As I've said before, elsewhere, this whole community, as you guys seem to be imagining it, seems to be the sort of place where I might enjoy visiting or staying for a while, but not really living permanently, so some of this, particularly the kid issue, since I imagine any time I spend on this commune will be before I start having kids, isn't really relevant to me, but still seems worth raising, so, anyway:)

Do you guys plan to have children? (This probably deserves a seperate thread, but) If so: I think it's important to keep guns in a safe way. Like a locked cabinet.

I have no interest in ever defending myself with weapons. Or being in part of a community that is defending themselves with weapons. Which isn't to say I'm arguing with it or anything, just that it isn't what I want. I'd rather try not break laws and fight legal battles.

But, I think hunting is good. At least, I think hunting is better than buying meat from stores and the implied support of the industries/farming that's behind that. But really, I think it would be better not to eat meat. But since I do stiil eat meat, I think hunting would be better.
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Selkie
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I agree with you...I don't eat meat but if we're going to eat meat, I think we should hunt it because imo raising animals to eat is kind of cruel, and if someone has to hunt the meat to eat it, they'll be less quick to waste it, and then we'll only get meat when we both need and want it, when otherwise we'll probably have extra and will feel like we have to eat it.

As to the actual guns issue...I don't like the idea of guns either but I think luck favors the prepared and as we're self sufficient we need to be prepared. I don't plan on breaking laws but, as I plan to bring up in another thread, if we harbor a black person and the KKK are trying to kill them or something, we should be prepared to defend them. There's always a possibility. I don't like guns but I also don't like the idea of us being completely defenseless, as we're not exactly going to be getting help from the police.

At the very least, if we do have them, I agree, they need to be hidden somehow and locked. The problem is, who keeps the key? Do we all keep the key? Would it be a combination? Either way, guns or no guns, it's a risk. I'm fine with whatever the majority decision is, I just want a decision Razz

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UnMeilleurReve
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I think if issues of defense ever need to be raised, it shouldn't be too hard to acquire emergency supplies.

With that as a consideration, I am opposed to having guns at the commune. My reason is that I think they are cowardly.

However, I will be upset if I can't bring my rapier, swords, knives, etc.

I am, however, not opposed to other projectile weaponry. I just don't like the idea of firearms. They take little skill to operate and don't give a person a fighting chance. They also allow you to be impersonal in regards to the person you're attacking.



And I'm okay with kids at the commune. I'm just horrible taking care of them, though I'm willing to help.
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Selkie
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I'd love kids at the commune and would love to take care of them, as long as they aren't too crazy or young Razz

I agree with you LeReveur in that they are cowardly and impersonal, though some of us here /are/ cowards you know (like me)  Very Happy

I'm not sure how else we could defend the community as a whole if, say, suddenly a bunch of KKK bastards descended upon us in the night with guns blazing. At the very least we should have a defensible area which we can retreat to during, I dunno, storms, tornadoes, fires, attacks...like something that is fully underground and has supplies, air, food, communication and room, and maybe /some/ weapons because it'd be a good place to store them anyways.

I dunno, I just can't see us keeping KKK crazies away with bows and arrows.

(This is so weird for me to talk about, since I also really don't like guns)

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UnMeilleurReve
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A militarized panic room? Possibly integrated into our tunnel system (and maybe a system of it's own?) and secured in such a way that all members were aware of it and honor-bound to use it only for the most necessary of situations?
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glorfon
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I think we should have a couple guns for hunting.  And if neccesary these could be used defensively but that wouldn't be their purpose.  I think were at  very little risk of attack.  What if we just kept the guns locked up in our houses rather than a central gun storage place?
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UnMeilleurReve
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So long as it's agreeable for everybody, especially safety-wise.

Which reminds me. Relatively communal property aside from personals?
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vov35
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I could probable keep a weapon secure in my space...

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glorfon
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We'll need guns to scare crows aways.


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