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UnMeilleurReve
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Hey there guys. I know that it'll be a bit before we can finally get up and move to wherever it is we've decided, and that we're very limited in what we can do up until that point. However, what we can do we should start doing now, am I wrong?

At the moment there seem to be only 4 dedicated people. Selkie, you're looking at 6+ years of college for her doctorate. Vov, you should be finishing high school soon and I don't know if you intend college or various projects. Zee, you've got 1, or 2, years left of college, right? I've got 2 definitely. So we have a 2 year time frame.

So here's the deal. We need to find our urban, and possibly rural, location. It came to my mind that we might even be able to find an unpopulated county and start off there when we go rural. That way, we can establish laws and such that prevent people from making laws, instituting typical American Government, and even regulate who lives there.

In addition to that, we need to have some funds saved up beforehand dedicated to the endeavour.


So the answer at this point seems relatively simple to me. We need to have each of us commit to looking up locations, the respective laws pertaining to our endeavour in each state and city, and the cost of living in the places that are friendly and near something farmable. Alongside this effort on our part comes saving and pladging money as we save it, so that we have some sort of budget and we know how big it is and what we need to allocate it to.

So, with this in mind, can I get the three of you and myself to look up the laws in each of the states? There are 4 of us and 50 states, and there are some states that we'd be best ignoring.... such as Texas.


Now for lists.

List of States to ignore:
Texas (Reveur)


List of states to definitely consider:


Ready? Go!
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vov35
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http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-...fit-corporation-district-columbia

The reason for considering DC is that it seems to be a center of radical activity...


Also: I'm going through one more year of high school, and then classes for their value for at least a year at the local community college.

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UnMeilleurReve
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My problem with DC is that there is a strong military and police presence, and a *very* high degree of police brutality notoriety. Whilst this may make it so we are more needed, it also might make our lives more miserable.

How would DC fit in the scheme of having a rural area outside and a urban area inside, and what are property prices like?


It occurs to me that we might should include urban/metropolitan to rural proximity, estimated cost of living, political climate, and property/rent prices, with agricultural and climate added in the case of places near the rural.


My old suggestion: Hamilton, MT. Rural and metropolitan proximity, liberal and hippie-like political climate, lots of small businesses, don't yet know how much property prices are, and decent agriculture with enough rain and flowing water. Additionally, there is an intentional community or two already functioning in the area and an established hOURs barter system.
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vov35
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SOMEBODY ELSE FUCKING POST FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Baltimore seems like a city always in need of such assistance. fucking murder capital of the nation.
I know rural areas exist nearby (pretty much here). although this particular area is pretty conservative most of maryland is reletively liberal as I know.

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Zeerahks
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Hey.

I have one year left, during which I will be out in Corvallis, Oregon.  I don't really have plans for after that, so...yeah.  I'll be trying to get a job and stay out there, but who knows what will happen between now and then.

I can take Oregon and Minnesota.  Though I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.

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vov35
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Zeerahks wrote:
Though I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.


good nonprofit laws and a need for support of the kind we can provide. I'll take a look at PA next.

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glorfon
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Well let's rule out Alaska, too short of a growing season.  I'd recommend against the southwest, but you can grow there it just take alot more soil prep and less dense planting.

Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan, Illinois, and Missouri are all great for farming.  The further south the better the winter.  From my experience they all get blizzards and below 0 temps but the difference is the duration.  I'm currently in Kansas City, the one good thing about KC is the really low rent.  We could rent a big old house (6 bedrooms) for about $1200 a month.  DC has killer land prices.  My sister is renting a place out there for three people and her monthly share is $800.
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UnMeilleurReve
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Non-profit status in Idaho is pretty easy to come by. However, it's the federal IRS laws that are gonna kick our ass. Whichever state we decide on, we need to sit down for a few weeks with an IRS agent that specializes in this sort of thing to figure out what we can and cannot do.

Anywho, Idaho:

Boise has the highest rape rate in the nation. Abuse runs somewhat rampant because it's pretty easy to isolate people here. The nonprofit laws are lenient, it seems to me, and the big requirements are: have 3 people, have bylaws, have a statement of purpose, and obey your own bylaws. The land is definitely arable, and Boise is restructuring the city to have 20 acres of community gardens. The entire state is pretty "green", and even the advocates of logging have a good reason for it (think of it like a tree that is well-groomed versus one that never sees pruning shears). It's also pretty conservative, but more in that independent economic streak. Not very religiously forceful, but some of the cities have laws that are unfavorable for us.

Keep an eye out for city code that goes something like this: No more than 3 unrelated persons can live in the same household together. Pocatello has one.
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glorfon
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I've found out that what we're looking for is call 501(C) exemption http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c%29.  This is federal tax exemption status.  There are 28 categories, it seems like 501(C)3,5, or 7 could work for us.  I'm currently poking around the IRS website trying to understand the requirements.
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UnMeilleurReve
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What I've been thinking is inserting it into the bylaws that there are going to be 4 classes of members. Class A is for the people that are in it for the long haul, and thus have slightly more say in how things run. Class B is for people that will be in and out, or are only checking things out. Class C is reserved for clients, with some minor rights reserved of some sort for people staying in the sanctuary. Class D is for contributors, who have little to no say whatsoever in what happens, but gets information about the general status of things that we're doing and updates into knowledge we'd like them to have.

The significance of this is in allotting living space on-site permanently to Class A residents, having a provision for the in-and-out or temporary status of Class B residents, having it provided that we will be operating as a sanctuary and advocacy program to take in Class C residents, and to be able to accept donations and have an official-seemingness for class D residents. I think we might also see if Twin Oaks is 501(c) and if they have managed to make their land and housing as part of their nonprofit status. Then again, it appears that they took an easier route out and simply pay taxes with the revenues brought from hammocks, furniture, tofu, and indexing.

Anywho, my ultimate worry is that the things we'll find ourselves facing "excessive profit" bullshit because the IRS will be out to fuck us. Let's hope not, right?

I think 3 is a possibility, 4 would be preferable, 5, and 7. In 4 we might be able to get defined as "social welfare". Maybe...


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