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UnMeilleurReve
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In the spirit of lawless legality and rule-less values, I humbly put forward the second phase of establishing a code of honor: the act of establishment and creation itself.

Please submit and discuss your suggestions for and against and discuss them here.

Suggestions:
1- Don't be evil.


Suggestions against:


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Selkie
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Ok, so the code of honor...by that I guess you mean, your earlier idea of holding up values as opposed to enforcing rules? That works perfectly, and if you mean a code of honor literally, like, "thou shalt not be an asshole", that's basically just rules.

Anyways, some ideas for values to hold up (in order of importance)

Life
Freedom, choice
Openness, honesty
Unity

Ie, if you kill someone that's screwing with the life value. If you try to bring down the group purposefully, that's a no-no. If you try to like, tie someone up, force someone to do something, bribe or threaten someone, that's a no-no too. And you should be open and honest.

Thoughts?

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glorfon
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The only thing I'd want to add is something about the importance of work ethic but I don't know how to make that not seem fascist.
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Zeerahks
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You call it a code of honor, but no where do you actually mention honor itself.  Here's the definition from wikipedia:  "[Honor] is the evaluation of a personís trustworthiness and social status based on that individual's espousals and actions".

Honor is being honest, sticking to what you say, and doing what you promise.  That's honor.  What we're talking about here is a sort of "code of conduct" that incorporates elements of honor.

Speaking of which, and this ties in (kinda) with Glor's request, I think we should include one more element of honor: a realization that a promise, that the act of giving a promise, creates a tie more binding than any other (except blood) [IMO, of course.  Your views are your own].

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I find these values too vague to be useful.

That is: for me to want to live with people for much time, I'd want to share some more particular values.

That is: Most people would agree that "life" is important, but who I'd want to live with depends on what that means to them.

This might be a place where I'm just a bit different than everyone else here, but: I value people having freedom, but I want to live with people who've chosen to use that freedom in similar ways.

That is:
I'd prefer there to be no tobacco or guns. If there was tobacco, I'd want it only smoked outside. If there were guns, I'd want them in locked cases out of sight. And I value people having sex quietly. And I value people not hitting children. And I value many other specific things. And some of these things would or break my decision to live in a certain place, it people would or wouldn't be willing to agree to them.

And I'm guess I'm also not sure how it would work if people weren't accountable to more specific values?
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UnMeilleurReve
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I was thinking we could outline a list of values and then a super-generalized corporeal manifestation (to use the terms abstractly) of those values in the form of self-guidance.

Example: We as a commune hold true to the belief espoused by the phrase "To each according to their need, from each according to their ability. As such, we expect members of the commune to contribute to the best of their ability in any way, and members of the commune have reason to expect their needs to be met by means of the collaborative labor of all members.

and/or

We as a commune value freedom with the stipulation that reasonable respect and self-restraint are employed. With this as a consideration, we expect each member to adhere to their own personal values and when in any situation where any other member may possibly be influenced to use proper consideration and respect for other members.


As replacements for: keep it down if you're gonna get busy, don't fire guns off in the middle of the night, do your fair share of work (followed by 20 stipulations as to what constitutes a fair share), you are guaranteed to be reasonably respected, etc.
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Selkie
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Haha, I like LeReveur's idea. I'm all for going with that.

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dcopulsky



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I think that is absolutely reasonable.

But I also don't think it's a way I would want to live.

And I guess I'm challenging everyone else to take a moment to seriously reflect on whether they could handle the practical repercussions of being around people who are held to values not rules.
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glorfon
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I really like how Lereveur proposed we go about it.
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UnMeilleurReve
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I've been in far too many situations with "rules" in which values would have solved a lot of turmoil and decreased a lot of tension. I balk under the yoke of rules because in too many situations they are irrational, bureaucratic, and a hindrance toward progress. I have to admit that I have the expectation of members to be both rational and benevolent. If for some reason logic, rationale, and benevolence amongst people with a common (or semi-common) ideal is truly impossible even on a small scale, well, life wouldn't be worth living.

Then again, some people do better with rules and rigid structure. To each their own. Rules and structure is not my own, lol.


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